Still trying to figure out values. Gonna try and refrain from disparaging comments. The bottom thing is from life. I was trying to figure out how white objects are lit by a window. Anyway I'm learning a lot. I'm gonna start approaching hogarth in a new way. I will look at a picture, draw how I think the anatomy would look without looking back at it, and then adjust when I'm done. After that, I will light it and try to get values right. But it won't work. Wish me luck.